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expedition is made of the middle of the ocean to share of their breakthroughs. also the top stories will be back the top of the hour meantime though we talked to a russian nobel prize winner in physics who's discovered promises a revolution and now technology engineering. this place makes some i managed to yes. but another is it sparkles and unexplainable interest. in a place where supernatural things are happening. on . probably one of. those. on our.
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hello again they're welcome to spotlight the interview siobhan artsy i'll be in awe of and today my guest is going to spend soon not myself six years ago two russian scientists in manchester discovered a revolutionary material called graphene last week they will award to the nobel prize in physics for what is likely to revolutionize nine attack engineering today game and love us all of our packing their bags for stuff to collect their million pounds from never sell of is joining us via satellite link from england. born in russia is thinking of us all of us father was an engineer while his mother was a teacher after graduating with one is from the moscow physical technical university
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constantin started work at a scientific research center in the in moscow two years later he moved to the netherlands great he met another russian scientist on drug game and whose guidance he continues to work the do physicists later moved to the university of manchester . the u.k. to continue their research six years ago never so often game discovered graphene for which they were awarded the euro physics prize there to receive the world's most prestigious scientific word the nobel prize for producing graphene which can rival silicon as a basis of computer chips so perhaps there's sense in letting silicon valley stay american but making griffin valley more russian creation at skolkovo. close to the sale of welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us. first of all have you already got yourself a joke see that maybe you got one. too much too many problems.
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i would i would appreciate any advice ok. well the russian government as far as you know i'm sure is attempting to create a sort of a silicon valley here outside moscow well do you think it's maybe a better idea now to to to create new agrafena value rather than a silicon valley. well for me graffiti is of called the a priority of the city can really would be you would be quite we would you would know you have published a paper describing. describing your your your invention your work well five years ago right so. far five years what have you been doing since what will you now with your research is it another good scene or is something else that was that
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was only the beginning and what we showed in that paper is that we can produce this material apparently. this material got so many fantastic properties that we were still stellar in for those six years i guess we're going to start it or people always are going to start it from for the next ten twenty or you or you or more years or so so you still are working on graffiti on the same on the c.n.n. center yeah so so you know moving you know moving to be measured if i live on the subject. unfortunately norther and the main problem is that i guess the most interesting experiment is still had a fossil of cause this prize really. brings us a little bit behind on this in this rush so to get to those very nice experiments can you tell us what is this most that made experiment and frankly speaking for
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every single research. might be their own type of experiments because this this material or has a number of very different but very simple properties the mechanical properties the optical properties the. electronic properties for me is the combination between mechanical and electronic properties which are the most interesting constantin you just said in a minute ago that you were in this in this paper of yours for which you got the nobel prize you said that you said i quote we can produce good feeling but as far as i know you are not producing anything or you are interested in production or you just interested in research. well we do research on this material bugs in order to start our experiments we need to produce those samples first so of course the sample production the production of all this material is
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quite a port and very often the most important parts or for our research you said that you have to produce enough material for your research but one of your colleagues in the united kingdom i quote said in this age of complexity with the machines like the super collider these guys managed to get the nobel prize using just sellotape so. is it true did you really that's. yeah that's that's absolutely true and furthermore i guess a cheaper sounds good eighty percent of researchers across the world who do graffiti and it's actually it's a it's a huge subject you know they but they still use this solitary methods issue introduce which we introduced in two thousand and four and you also still use
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sellotape in europe. in most cases yes and like it in greek. you have a year year do you have enough sellotape now or you still i wasn't allowed as it is still have to do to pick to pick it out out of garbage beds room got an exclusive supply from a few companies ok now. why are you called garbage scientists you know this label garbage scientists is it is it really because beer because you you pulled your first samples are the garbage bin or what is it. yes probably and i totally don't don't don't come although nobody tells us brave enough to say to me two twenty phrases. totally totally foreign was being called like this and it's an interesting story we were gods it is indeed rooted our colleague electioneer ski
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who was working with us at the time. during experiments on the way how he clean graphite in the throw in this cellar table with pieces of is a sort of graphite into the bin and basically what we've done we've picked a top and. made our first samples from from those that so so you don't regard this nickname as being insulting to you now absolutely no i don't i don't care how people call in ok now can you tell us when did you realize that what you were doing is really a revolution in physics did you ever realizing it. well. you see we are quite lucky you know. we can't afford to work result thinking about producing area lucian physics we can't afford to work just because we were really really like it and already the very first experiments
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are true we wish we had done it was was those samples made from those first tapes we realize that we have something extremely interesting in our hands and it took us to probably easier or you win more to get the shows graph and samples bods the interest in physics and you can see in the very. first experiments ok how many people except you and gave contributed to this graphene research because as far as i know usually one or two people get the nobel prize but actually it's a it's a company of like dozens of people is that the case with here. oh yes here i will do that was a pool of great researchers of fantastic people who are doing those first experiments you see i don't thing that. we prize is due in just on the
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merits of the one experiment so rouer do in very interesting physics over the over the whole all over the years. in that we we. especially want to think should be more of it in the grid or who've been working with us for for quite a long time and. also have a great pool of from task to do students on poles dogs who from all over the world with us but this science is no. it is this the scariest so vast now that we rely you know experiments not on the on the on our results where we rely on the results of all the community and it is you know it consists of probably hundreds of labs across the world so are you going to split the million quid you're going to get it yet is that it's well it's
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million dollars leigh i i'm sort of so busy at the moment i didn't know or thought it's. thought about this and really come hard here ok you're either teacher and now your colleague andrew again said i quote that graphene has all the potential to change our life the same way plastics did in the twentieth century so do you think that the twenty first century will be there the the age of growth feed the age of game and know myself. oh yeah absolutely they're feeling changed our lives come completely dramatically so we've had fantastic time over the last years and we arrive to this small one which is which is quite good as well but seriously i think. it does have a great world potential we still don't realize. how large is this time show
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i don't want to speculate about a place in silicon or was was your feeling there are far more can complicated questions than. the as a said already there are quite a few properties of this material which we are unique the mechanical to go electronic and if you find it's in publications. because they didn't know were still there for the nobel prize winner in physics this year spotlight will be back shortly right after the break so stay with us. live. live.
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sounds impossible. some people have already chosen. a place under the sun on our. live live. live . welcome back to spotlight i am algor now than just a reminder that my guest today via satellite link from from manchester is constantin number still of the man who was awarded nobel prize in physics this year . consensus well i know that you both you. and regain the colleagues you have just mentioned telling us about your team most of them are russians and i know that you even work at the so-called russian floor at the inverse of manchester although about stories now that by russians so you are
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a british citizens game is a dutch citizen but did consider yourself still too good to be russian or or british where i don't know european a what do you think oh. i definitely consider myself russian. i'm british as well. of a lot too russian education too. and that sounds absolutely. but you chose to go to continue your work in england because what. because the university you're in now gives you more research possibilities what else what if you compare well you already said in a couple of interviews that that the russian system of training in physics is the best in the world but after you trained compare russian and european british what
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are the differences. first of all let me tell you that it is absolutely normal practice that scientists grow from one lab to another to learn different techniques and obtain different skills i can tell you that if you got ph d. in holland for instance he warned be able to continue as a poles dog because you would have to while or you would have to go away from the counter ok there are some some some some researchers of course applied. was the do to measure difference or probably one of the one of the good things thing about . western system of science is its openness and so so easy to move from one university to to another and definitely help in transfer in the knowledge of the skills and other technology and it's in it's in it's one of
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the key issues more them science well the president did verdant when he was speaking well a couple of days ago i think it was the national teacher's day was he was presenting awards to the best teachers in russia he he said a couple of words of a yale you and the game and he said well it's a pity that those russian guys actually got their prize working abroad and he said i would like to see more and more russian scientists working in russia getting the same possibilities the same funny advantages and well do you feel the do you share the same concern with our president. i would say that you should you should do it more broadly i should say that. in the in wired back to russia not only russian scientists but we should in the wide the best scientists. back to
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russia and that that includes russian british american who else science is why different mission is international and you always get it war always want to get the best result and the best results are produced by the best people and you cannot rely on one nationality only in this in this process you have to you master in white the bastion for us well the really mentioned result of brain drain from russia is that russian scientists are increasingly uncritically cited in the world scientific press and in world scientific publications but since all these scientists are now abroad most of them are abroad does it mean that the younger generation of russian scientists would may not be as successful as you are. two points just toward moore's old blue russian side is broad there are huge number
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of from past including good scientists who work in russia that's i totally disagree with you on this point and second as i said already exchange of scientists is not about things that's absolute can or practice brain drain is nor is not about the the berthing is the is no a real us promises that scientists are coming back to russia and shoot him a sure russia fantastic school of science we should share it with the war but we also have to get something back from the war and we need to unwired best the best people and i don't think that nationality makes a big issue here constantin the russian government the kremlin has been pretty much ship sest by nana technologies over the last couple of years and many people a journalist has been pretty sort of casting at there and now this obsession with
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nanotechnology do you think that investing into nanotechnology is really the right thing to do for the russian government today. well i guess as you probably misread all this all this initiative. you always need a big flag and i call the the main idea behind this is it is to invest to technology in general and it's the correct things of it will be absolutely wrong of course to invest into knowledge and knowledge and forget completely evolves micro technology and forgets about ethics intercultural and concentrate only about on this ten minus nine profits. so what invest in technology as long as it was with some sounds is is a perfectly good idea e you said that she didn't even know the for the ten minutes ago the amount of the
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money you'll get within about prize that that means that you are not at all interested in money and in business that you are you are not at all you and your colleagues are not at all interested in the commercial they use of graphene of putting it into it into well real life into gadgets and whatever. well look what. you cannot tell it's also from my colleagues who have students who own companies which are we produce graphene who have nothing to do is that they those companies do do exist so some of my good friends and colleagues they do have some interest in in business. where interested in having a good time in the lab. if it involves creation new type of devices from from graffiti we would do it so we for instance we produced
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a prototype of liquid crystal display made of woman we had over heard of graphene bought you are absolutely right it will be very extremely very boring for me to sit for here and try and so. to this this device works slightly better that will be toward me but that's an important part of or of jobs and you mentioned spending time having good time in their lab which we should say it is that it is always about you really think for prefer or in life tell us about it what is having a good time with your friends and the lab what do you do what do you mean by having good time in the lab. ok don't take your honor. like picking up squash table and making make in first examples of graphene that's fantastic time. making some new type of devices there's
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a composite of four for me the best one is a device which you can produce. in the day you just got an idea where you will produce a device and you measure it in the room that's the best one. and. any interest in arguments any unusual that's having a good time for us constantin this graphene as far as i understand it is a unique unique two d. material a material with unique qualities is it really unique is it one of a kind or there may be other materials with similar or even better qualities yet to come yet to be invented. oh yes absolutely that's and i'm a little bit concerned about this but we are so so much concentration on graffiti i really would like to to look a little bit broader now but even the grafin by itself already that gives us so
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much fun that it's hard to. go somewhere else but i'm sure and probably we would suspect how to do it there are other materials there reads worse similar interests and problems as well russian kids have have lots of cell a tape and we call scotch one of their well whatever so we're where do we have to look for these new materials you said it may be other than graffiti which it what it is what does this do we have to look for it while we can you can think about combinations of graphene and some signals and that will that will produce your new material and like just put into a graph ins will gather on three or three rough interns who gather and the will be a new material or together so there are so instead of using sellotaped to split
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graffiti you just put it back or you just use some non the glue if you want to glue it back together so that's just one of just i just corrine you ideas well last question i have read in the press that the military are already getting increasingly interested in your intervention have you heard anything about that do you think that can that get. this interest from from the side of the military can spoil your life make your life after. well we were god i know if you guys from from the office of air force or us and from no research to the robber were nice guys and we do have funding from from them your goal for a conference you you see a top talk from from even told that you did the show you a performance of high frequency to the ministers and half of the screen is bland because the say that it is its information so yes there is some.
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drive from. as well i hate what it is in this. classified by. the recent bout of research which is which is driven more than mostly by the three in the it goes thank you never still of a russian the russian scientist in manchester a nobel prize winner that will need some help getting these coming couple of days inviting us to see though we didn't sound so please give the time to those that you thank you very much for being with us and just to remind us that the fans in the myself was our guest today and. that with more friends than comments on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay and party and take care.

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